Episode 5: How Do You Know if You are Called to Ministry?

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Episode 5: How Do You Know if You are Called to Ministry?

In this episode of the Ordinary Radicals podcast, Jonathan Hayashi and Brandon Boatner speaks on the topic on calling to ministry.

In the first place, what is a calling? General calling? Specific calling? What location or timing can we see in a calling?


Some highlights from today’s episode;

  • If you want people to like you, go sell ice-cream.

  • Young people say, “I know I shouldn’t want to preach. That’s prideful.” The reality is Satan never tempts someone to become a pastor or preach the gospel.
  • I came to know the Lord at age 16 when I was saved, and knew I wanted to become a pastor. But a 16-year-old biblically speaking become a pastor is probably not the smartest thing.
  • The Holy Spirit is doing the work of the calling. You cannot falsify the work of the Holy Spirit in and through you to do something.
  • We often pray, “God I want patience RIGHT NOW!”
  • Skills can get you in ministry, but only integrity will keep you in ministry.

  • Pastoral ministry is really like folding clothes taking in and out of the laundry. Very mundane week-to-week do the same thing over-and-over again
  • Pastor is one who weeps with those who weep and rejoice with those who rejoice (Rom 12:15).
  • There are so many young pastors who want to come out and be a John Piper. They want to write books and they will be known and stuff. You have to put in your time.
  • “By perseverance the snail reached the ark.” – Charles Spurgeon
  •  If you’re just desperate, you want to get out the situation because ministry is tough, that is not a wise reason to move. You will just be miserable wherever you go.

  • We hit pastoral roadblocks and often don’t know what to do. As a result, misread those roadblocks of life and say, “God is calling me elsewhere.”
  • Youth ministry is the fastest turnovers for any pastoral roles.
  • Nobody likes change! Only babies like change.
  • The gospel beckons change in our lives with our belief and behavior. We cannot just be casual nominal Christianity.
  • The calling of a pastor not being liked, not being popular, not seeking comfort. A lot of it is actually dying to self.

  • If you’re leaving a church, think about how you’re leaving because that is still a statement of who Jesus is.


Here are the two main points on conversation about calling;

Introduction – General Criticism: “What’s up with your mustache hipster look?!”

1. General Calling

  • a) Callings are NOT: To be known, Generational, Popularity:
  • b) OT Biblical Examples of Calling
    • King David: Men after God’s own heart (2 Sam 7:8-17)
    • Weeping Prophet Jeremiah: “Burning fire inside my heart.” (Jer 20:9)
  • c) NT Biblical Internal Calling / External Calling
    • “If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task.” (1 Tim 3:1)
    • Qualification of a Pastor (1 Tim 3:1-7)
    • Biblical Ordination is NOT a piece of paper you do online.

2. Specific Calling

  • a) Role, Relationship and Responsibility
    • Vocational Ministry: Service types
    • Local church is a testing ground of working through skill set.
    • Pastor (ἐπισκοπή): Shepherd, elder, overseer same word (1 Tim 3; Tit 1; 1 Pet 2)
  • b) Location & Timing
    • Missions field: Know the requirement and expectation.
    • Push in ministry & Pull in ministry.
    • The Lifestyle of Pastoral Ministry (Thom Rainer)
    • Prayer with one another.
    • Succession Plan: Discipleship & Leadership (1 Cor 12:27)


Resources mentioned in today’s podcast



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